Tuesday, July 25

Feeling Rand-y Today

...No, not that kind of randy. I'm talking about Ayn Rand. No, I'm not an Objectivist. After having an interesting conversation with my colleagues over "The Guiltless Man" yesterday, mostly concerning the inability of religion to control such a person, I was thinking about it again this morning.

Thinking is a beautiful thing. From Ayn Rand's address to the 1974 West Point class:
You have no choice about the necessity to integrate your observations, your experiences, your knowledge into abstract ideas, i.e., into principles. Your only choice is whether these principles are true or false, whether they represent your conscious, rational conviction--or a grab-bag of notions snatched at random, whose sources, validity, context and consequences you do not know, notions which, more often than not, you would drop like a hot potato if you knew.
Of course, it is not truly necessary for persons to integrate all of this into a coherent, rational philosophy. Some people appear to have taken pieces of rational worldviews and mishmashed them in with superstition and folklore, and others (postmodernists) abandon rationalism altogether.
But the principles you accept (consciously or subconsciously) may clash with or contradict one another; they, too, have to be integrated. What integrates them? Philosophy. A philosophic system is an integrated view of existence. As a human being, you have no choice about the fact that you need a philosophy. Your only choice is whether you define your philosophy by a conscious, rational, disciplined process of thought and scrupulously logical deliberation--or let your subconscious accumulate a junk heap of unwarranted conclusions, false generalizations, undefined contradictions, undigested slogans, unidentified wishes, doubts and fears, thrown together by chance, but integrated by your subconscious into a kind of mongrel philosophy and fused into a single, solid weight: self-doubt, like a ball and chain in the place where your mind's wings should have grown.
Most people do not develop a philosophy in the vein of Descartes -- carefully and from the bottom up. Most people adopt from others what feels right and true, and modern Sophists are able to persuade masses of persons into adopting incomprehensible premises as their foundational "truths".
You might say, as many people do, that it is not easy always to act on abstract principles. No, it is not easy. But how much harder is it, to have to act on them without knowing what they are?
Rand seems willing to grant to people something which I cannot -- that they act while thinking, or think before acting. I find no strong evidence that humans behave as rational animals even a fraction of the time.
Your subconscious is like a computer...Who programs it? Your conscious mind...one way or the other, your computer gives you print-outs, daily and hourly, in the form of emotions--which are lightning-like estimates of the things around you, calculated according to your values. If you programmed your computer by conscious thinking, you know the nature of your values and emotions. If you didn't, you don't.
John Loftus has written an interesting article on "control beliefs" as it relates to the interpretation of religion and religious evidence by believers versus unbelievers; or what we could call our presuppositions, in which he challenges the notion that we have the ability to free ourselves of biases and see past our weaknesses in order to objectively "program" our conscious minds. The major point he makes is that the fewer presuppositions, or "control beliefs," that we hold, the less likely we are to be wrong about any given one of them.
Many people, particularly today, claim that man cannot live by logic alone, that there's the emotional element of his nature to consider, and that they rely on the guidance of their emotions...The joke is on him--and on them: man's values and emotions are determined by his fundamental view of life. The ultimate programmer of his subconscious is philosophy--the science which, according to the emotionalists, is impotent to affect or penetrate the murky mysteries of their feelings...You have probably heard the computer operators' eloquent term "gigo"--which means: "Garbage in, garbage out." The same formula applies to the relationship between a man's thinking and his emotions.
Here we have to get into what Rand means by "his fundamental view of life" -- is this not particularly circular? If I value faith, do I become a believer (thus subscribing to some theistic worldview), or if I am a believer, do I value faith? Where do we begin? How many people even try to figure out what their assumptions are, much the less challenge and question them?
A man who is run by emotions is like a man who is run by a computer whose print-outs he cannot read. He does not know whether its programming is true or false, right or wrong, whether it's set to lead him to success or destruction, whether it serves his goals or those of some evil, unknowable power. He is blind on two fronts: blind to the world around him and to his own inner world, unable to grasp reality or his own motives, and he is in chronic terror of both. Emotions are not tools of cognition. The men who are not interested in philosophy need it most urgently: they are most helplessly in its power.
But what Rand ignores is that philosophy can be used as a tool to prop up what men want to believe. Nietzsche showed us that. It is a choice as to how far one develops a philosophy -- it can go so far as to render us nearly nihilistic. If we seriously probe the premises of every position, say for instance in meta-ethics, we will find ourselves much more epistemically skeptical than some people can handle. Therefore, most persons only develop (or adopt from others) enough philosophy to convince themselves that they are rational and "committed to the truth". But how many of us are? How many of us are willing to follow evidence and reason, should it lead us to no hopeful conclusion? What if reason does cannibalize itself, as Nietzsche and others implied?
The men who are not interested in philosophy absorb its principles from the cultural atmosphere around them--from schools, colleges, books, magazines, newspapers, movies, television, etc. Who sets the tone of a culture? A small handful of men: the philosophers. Others follow their lead, either by conviction or by default. For some two hundred years, under the influence of Immanuel Kant, the dominant trend of philosophy has been directed to a single goal: the destruction of man's mind, of his confidence in the power of reason. Today, we are seeing the climax of that trend.
And today, we might say that we are in the "post-postmodern" movement -- many philosophers have strongly argued against the premises of postmodernism (pomo), and have had the time to carefully deconstruct existentialism, Heidegger (probably on of the figures in philosophy with whom Rand identified this sort of negative trend), and some of the previously nebulous arguments of pomo's that science is but "another mythic narrative", aka the Counter-Enlightenment. I would say that the tides have turned, in large part thanks to a commitment to Rationalism, to flesh out the claims of nihilism and pomo over the past decades. Basically, if we cannot sustain rationalism, then pomo itself is self-refuted -- how can a coherent proposition be made: there is no rationalism? It is self-refuting and self-defeating, just like, "there are no truths." (if that description of reality is itself true, then the statement itself must be false, if the statement is false, then it tells us nothing of truth)
When men abandon reason, they find not only that their emotions cannot guide them, but that they can experience no emotions save one: terror. The spread of drug addiction among young people brought up on today's intellectual fashions, demonstrates the unbearable inner state of men who are deprived of their means of cognition and who seek escape from reality--from the terror of their impotence to deal with existence. Observe these young people's dread of independence and their frantic desire to "belong," to attach themselves to some group, clique or gang. Most of them have never heard of philosophy, but they sense that they need some fundamental answers to questions they dare not ask--and they hope that the tribe will tell them how to live. They are ready to be taken over by any witch doctor, guru, or dictator. One of the most dangerous things a man can do is to surrender his moral autonomy to others: like the astronaut in my story, he does not know whether they are human, even though they walk on two feet.
Rand almost seems comically naive. Every generation has viewed their youth as on a destructive path, whether towards immorality or irrationality or both. I would say that in today's culture, one of the few unique things we have today is access to so much knowledge and information that some persons are paralyzed by it [one of the other things that sets apart our current era from others is the explosion of scientific understanding of our universe]. Knowing what to believe, and who to believe, adrift in a sea of arguments and voices can be overwhelming. But that does not mean that we must not believe, else we be wrong, only that we must focus our energies on narrow slices of the big philosophy pie. Few persons that I know go to original sources in philosophy, preferring summaries and reviews of topics and questions in philosophy. There is just too much to read and absorb, and too few days to do it.
Now you may ask: If philosophy can be that evil, why should one study it? Particularly, why should one study the philosophical theories which are blatantly false, make no sense, and bear no relation to real life?

My answer is: In self-protection--and in defense of truth, justice, freedom, and any value you ever held or may ever hold.
And it is for those reasons that I continue to study the Bible, theology, and think about God. I do not claim, as Paul wrote in Phil. 3, "to have apprehended...". I have not arrived at some "self-enlightenment". I somewhat doubt that such a final state can exist, for that would mean it would be nearly impossible to self-doubt or critically analyze the experience. My view of personal enlightenment is more a process and progress in which we analyze and skeptically critique everything. But unlike the pomo, I find no reason to abandon rationalism, as I know nowhere else to be, no other way to live, and no other way to think. I choose to value reason, and build my worldview upon it, and I have seen the efficacy of this played out as personal success and happiness, not despair and hopelessness. In that sense, you might say I pragmatically cling to rationalism.

Some ask me what motive I have in arguing with theists. I do not believe, they do, I think they are wrong, but I think there is no real consequence for their wrongness (in the sense that their faith won't "hurt" them or me). Why do I continue, then, to spend so much time reading, debating, and trying to understand philosophies to which I do not subscribe, and hold to be irrational? Primarily, because their faith affects me. The politics and policies of our current administration have been clearly infused with religion and its lobbying power and money. Secondarily, I do so in defense of my mind, my values, my desire for truth. I skeptically analyze arguments for and against God, and I continue to consider them for their validity and strengths.

There are many things over which I find myself disagreeing with Ayn Rand, but on this, we agree -- philosophy is more than necessary, it is inevitable: the only choice you have is whether you will swallow someone else's premises like a jagged little pill, or whether you will question them, and yourself, and everything.
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3 comments:

  1. Hello Daniel,

    I enjoyed reading your reactions to Rand's address to the graduating class at West Point, the title essay of her book Philosophy: Who Needs It. I had some reactions of my own that I wanted to share with you, for what it may be worth.

    Responding to her claim that thinkers "have no choice about the necessity to integrate [their] observations… into abstract ideas," you stated that "it is not truly necessary for persons to integrate all of this into a coherent, rational philosophy." I don't think Rand was suggesting that a coherent, rational philosophy was unavoidable. It's true that individual thinkers are not compelled by any force outside themselves to integrate their ideas and principles into a coherent and rational philosophy, and Rand knew this. She was explicit in recognizing the role of volition in integration, and that commitment to reason (rationality) is chosen, not forced or coerced. I think what Rand was stating in her first sentence is that we don't have a choice about the necessity of integrating what we perceive into conceptual wholes ("abstract ideas"), where "necessity" for Rand in this context means necessity for living life, necessity for doing day-to-day activities. Even brutes do this to at least some degree. In context to this view, Rand observed that the adult human mind has automatized the integration process which it arduously learned from infancy. The proof for this is the fact that we do not have to reinvent the wheel, conceptually speaking, every time we encounter an object. We don't have to start over with every percept because we have automatized the process by which we subsume a new unit within a category that we have already formed. For instance, when you see a table, whether it's one you see everyday or it's one you've never seen before, you automatically include it into the class 'table' which you formed in your childhood and have been "growing" ever since (by ever adding new units to the concept as you go through life). This was not always automatic; we learn to do this, and with repetition and practice, it becomes automatized, a term that Rand preferred over 'habitual'.

    Rand's statement that "Your only choice is whether these principles are true or false…" is rather imprecise so far as I can tell. I don't think we can simply choose that the principles we have formed are true or false. But I also don't think this is what Rand meant, but the way Rand did phrase this leaves it open to any detractor who wants to construe this statement in such a manner. I think what she is saying in this second statement (and I could be wrong, but I don't think I am), is that we have a choice about what we accept as true principles, and about whether we are careful and systematic in assembling our principles, or careless and haphazard. For instance, I can choose to discard what I know to be true about reality and affirm what makes me feel better (such as belief in an afterlife). I can also choose to be honest and face the fact that I am mortal and life is a one-shot deal.

    So I think what you have stated and what I understand Rand to be stating here are actually in agreement. However, I would also point out that what Rand means by 'rationalism' may not be what you mean with this term. For Rand, there is a huge difference between rationality, which is a chosen commitment to reason as one's only means of knowledge and his only guide to action, and rationalism, which is deduction without reference to reality. Rand would likely say that the postmodernists have embraced rationalism as she understood it, while abandoning rationality.

    As for "programming" our minds and freeing ourselves from biases that we may have accepted, I think Rand's famous dictum "check your premises" comes in handy. But to correct a biased leaning, we first have to become aware of it. Then we would have to assess it to determine if it is rationally justifiable, or if it in fact should be corrected. It is possible to correct biases; I know this is possible for me, anyhow, as I have done it. It takes honesty, determination and effort, and many thinkers are averse to one or all of these.

    By "fundamental" Rand typically means primary and irreducible. There aren't a lot of legitimate candidates for this, but many thinkers *treat* certain ideas as fundamental, when in fact they stand on numerous prior assumptions which may lie buried under the debris of anti-conceptual morass. Some assumptions, however, may very well be justifiable. By "fundamental view of life" in the paragraph you quoted, I take Rand to mean basic premises and value judgments which shape an individual's sense of life. These can be teased out by asking certain pointed questions. For instance, is it good for man to live, or is he guilty simply for existing? Is man's mind compotent, or is it irrescindably impotent? Can man lead himself (and thus should be free to do so), or does he need to be lead (and thus needs to be ruled by means of force)? Does man have the right to live for his own sake, or does he have an innate obligation to sacrifice himself in selfless service to a mystical authority which has no need or use for his service to begin with? Etc. You asked if this "fundamental view of life" is circular, and I don't think it is circular if it is ultimately seated on an objective starting point. To clarify what you mean by 'circular' here, you asked a rhetorical question: "If I value faith, do I become a believer (thus subscribing to some theistic worldview), or if I am a believer, do I value faith?" Neither faith nor status as a believer is irreducible; both rest on more basic premises. One turns to faith only because he has given up on reason. Yes, I realize that Christians will object to this, but they need to take into account what I mean by faith and reason. I am not a Christian, so I am not beholden to their definitions (or non-definitions, as it may be).

    You do ask a very important question, though: "Where do we begin?" Rand answers this by pointing to that of which we are first aware: the objects of consciousness. Only after we perceive an object can we become aware of our awareness. For Rand, the object comes first, hence "Objectivism." This is fundamentally opposite to religion, which is built on the view that the subject comes first - e.g., the god of the bible whose will is the source of the universe, hence "subjectivism." You asked "How many people even try to figure out what their assumptions are, much less challenge and question them?" I don't have any statistics on this, of course, but my experience is that it wouldn't be very many. But I would suggest not worrying about what everyone else does or does not do.

    After Rand makes her point about the "man who is run by emotions," is consequently "unable to grasp reality or his own motives" and is therefore in need of philosophy "most urgently," you stated that "what Rand ignores is that philosophy can be used as a tool to prop what men want to believe." I don't think she has ignored this at all. As the next paragraph that you quoted from her speech makes clear, Rand was acutely aware of the fact that there are some who will corrupt the philosophical enterprise, and many will uncritically accept that corruption in place of the life-affirming philosophy that they need. Rand's whole speech is an endorsement of man's need for a rational philosophy, and that an individual should not leave his thinking to some self-appointed elites who claim to "know better," either because they have pull with the university administration, or because they receive their "insights" from a supernatural source. She's essentially saying "Watch out!" to thinkers and would-be thinkers everywhere.

    You then stated that "If we seriously probe the premises of every position, say for instance in meta-ethics, we will find ourselves much more epistemically skeptical than some people can handle." But it's not clear why you might suppose this. I've probed the premises of many positions (I don't claim to have done so for all; has anyone?), but it has not lead me to epistemic skepticism by any means. In fact, I've become increasingly more epistemically confident as a result. That's why theists don't like me. So, perhaps the skepticism you cite results, not from the task of seriously probing the premises of a variety of positions, but from the fundamental view of life that you hold. It is possible for one to hold a view which sabotages one's epistemic efforts. Asking questions like those that I posed above might help in teasing these assumptions out so that you can become explicitly aware of them for what they are.

    But I do agree that some people "only develop (or adopt from others) enough philosophy to convince themselves that they are rational and 'committed to the truth'." Tara Smith gave an excellent talk on this topic in her series "Rationality and Objectivity," in which she lists a number of thought habits that thinkers develop in order to rationalize irrational premises, such as 'base-touching', 'settling', etc. I've caught myself doing these, thanks to her pointing them out in her talk. These habits are turned on full blast in religious apologetics. The purpose of apologetics is not to vindicate a position, but to insulate it so that the pretense that it is true can be maintained. One needs to abandon honesty to do this. Observe how apologists tend to react before they consider. I'm sure you've seen some know-it-alls on the web who can react all day long without deeply considering what it is they're reacting to or what motivates the reaction they offer.

    You said that "I would say that the tides have turned, in large part thanks to a commitment to Rationalism." You provided a link to a Wikipedia article which clarifies what you might mean by 'rationalism'. It offers a quote by Lacey: "any view appealing to reason as a source of knowledge or justification." So you're saying that "the tides have turned, in large part thanks to a commitment to" a view which takes reason seriously "as a source of knowledge or justification." And yet earlier you had stated that "I find no storng evidence that humans behave as rational animals even a fraction of the time." So, on the one hand, the tide is turning in favor of a rational orientation, but on the other hand you don't see any strong evidence to suppose that people behave rationally. I'm wondering if I'm right to detect cynicism where earlier you seemed to think "epistemic skepticism" is unavoidable. I'd say that cynicism is probably inevitable if one thinks that epistemic skepticism is unavoidable. Anyway, I hope I'm misinterpreting what you're trying to say in your piece, because you seem to be more cognizant that what all this suggests.

    I don't think Rand had succumbed to the common habit of viewing younger generations as necessarily or innately headed for destruction. Rand was simply observing the glee with which many of her contemporaries were flocking to drug use and celebrating it as an "alternative lifestyle." Rand witnessed the birth of an explicitly self-destructive counter-culture which we today take for granted, because it's always been here for us. In Rand's day, most people did not schlep around like you see people customarily doing today. Even my own mother remembers how important it was to dress up just to go shopping downtown, and that this was common practice at the time. People tended to have a higher level of self-esteem, at least in their outward expression. Rand witnessed a dramatic erosion of culture to which we today tend to be relatively more desensitized. I've learned this very well for myself in my marriage to a woman from Thailand, where emphasis on social decorum is still very rigid. In Thai culture, even holding hands in public is frowned upon. But here in the US, you have people undressing, sleeping around and more on prime time television. You would never see on Thai television what is difficult to avoid on American television. In Thailand, Buddhism is still very strong, as is love for the king, who just celebrated the 60th anniversary of his ascent to the throne. It's a genuine sense of respect so far as I can tell, and it is ubiquitous. The contrasts between American culture and Thai culture are most striking. There the younger people show respect to their elders; they respect themselves, too. But here, it's sometimes hard to find a young person who respects anything or anyone. I remember visiting an elementary school in Bangkok to visit the school principle, who is a friend of mine. He gave me a tour of the campus and it happened to be recess time, and children were running and playing everywhere. But everywhere we went, when the children saw the principle, they stopped what they were doing and waied to him (to wai means to place your hands together before your face and to gently nod in respect). Then the children would return to play. It was really fascinating to observe this. I can imagine what some of the older Thais may be thinking as they see more and more western influences encroach on their culture. Thais would be utterly shocked if they saw Britney Spears and Madonna locking lips on TV. It's not the homosexuality per se which shocks them, it's the public display of something they think should be privately enjoyed that they find shocking. So, I don't think Rand was being "comically naïve" at all when she stated these things. I think that she had a cultural perspective which we have lost or simply have not acquired. Just as Thais today would find a couple kissing and groping each other in a subway station to be inappropriate to society, Rand saw the gleeful retreat to drug-taking and "zoning out" inappropriate to human life.

    Finally, Daniel, I generally agreed with your points about what motivates you to examine apologetic arguments. While I don't think debating with theists is productive (I'd just assume have a debate with a dog than with some of the more consistent theists), I do think it is important to expose the falsehoods and irrationality of their position. I cannot just sit on what I know, especially given what's at stake for man's well-being and human society in general.

    Anyway, these are just my $0.02, for what it may be worth.

    Regards,
    Dawson

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  2. Dawson,

    Thanks for the substantial comments. I'm entangled with a bunch of presuppositional silliness at the moment, but will reply in kind shortly.

    Best,
    D

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  3. ...means necessity for living life, necessity for doing day-to-day activities. Even brutes do this to at least some degree.
    To some degree. Modern conveniences have made it such that only the extraordinarily stupid are strictly required to remain rational and integrate new knowledge into a coherent philosophy, under threat of survival.

    I think I may have been a bit too harsh with her words, and too strict on her usage.

    We don't have to start over with every percept
    No, but you would agree, I think, that our premises change the way we interpret all that we have learned and accumulated, right?

    Rand's statement that "Your only choice is whether these principles are true or false…" is rather imprecise so far as I can tell.
    And this is a problem I guess I have with a lot of what she says -- eg, I don't agree that all moral statements can be "true or false", and I think her unyielding commitment to egoism, and nearly dogmatic assertion that it is the only rational ethos is quite overstated.

    I think what she is saying in this second statement (and I could be wrong, but I don't think I am), is that we have a choice about what we accept as true principles, and about whether we are careful and systematic in assembling our principles, or careless and haphazard.
    But so much of what we accept as true principles (esp our premises) are derived from our culture and environment and how we've been educated. If some pieces are missing from your puzzle, you'll assume that you started with the wrong picture in mind, when that's not necessarily true.

    For instance, I can choose to discard what I know to be true about reality
    Of course I agree with you that there is no strong argument for the afterlife, but it appears you have stronger epistemic convictions than I do.

    So I think what you have stated and what I understand Rand to be stating here are actually in agreement. However, I would also point out that what Rand means by 'rationalism' may not be what you mean with this term.
    I agree. I meant rationalism as a commitment to reason.

    Rand would likely say that the postmodernists have embraced rationalism as she understood it, while abandoning rationality.
    It seems that pomo's have allowed reason to cannibalize itself, and thus they disbelieve in it as a guiding precept. I see presups in much the same way -- they think it's "turtles all the way down", at times. You have to justify every foundation of every foundation, but since they define God as an "answer" and a "foundation" of everything, they consider their bases covered and justifying belief is [not really] simple for them.

    But to correct a biased leaning, we first have to become aware of it.
    And this is the key :)
    That is what I implied above with our culture, environment, and education.

    It takes honesty, determination and effort, and many thinkers are averse to one or all of these.
    Well let's be even more candid -- did we ever consider ourselves as dishonest, or undetermined in our effort, beforehand? I surely didn't. I thought I was "committed to the truth, and His name is Jesus". That's why maybe I'm a little more skeptical about the ability of a person to see their own biases than you may be.

    You asked if this "fundamental view of life" is circular, and I don't think it is circular if it is ultimately seated on an objective starting point.
    Which is?

    One turns to faith only because he has given up on reason. Yes, I realize that Christians will object to this, but they need to take into account what I mean by faith and reason. I am not a Christian, so I am not beholden to their definitions (or non-definitions, as it may be).
    I don't necessarily agree with you here. I think that some Christians truly see the the non-answer "God" as a logical necessity, and as a true answer to such perplexing questions as "why are our minds rational (or capable thereof)?" I think that some of them truly see themselves as on the side of reason, and apostates as "inventing self-deception". Some Christians are very rational people in nearly every sphere of thought...but hold out when it comes to the most powerful anti-theistic arguments (Esp the PoE)

    Only after we perceive an object can we become aware of our awareness.
    But some would argue the primacy of existence over the primacy of consciousness. Not "I think, therefore I am," but "I am, therefore I think". I don't see a lot of difference in what follows from there, though. Christians of course accuse us of not having satisfactory answers to why/how matter is capable of consciousness, while themselves believing that "God" is a rational solution to the problem. (argumentum ad ignorantium)

    For Rand, the object comes first, hence "Objectivism." This is fundamentally opposite to religion, which is built on the view that the subject comes first - e.g., the god of the bible whose will is the source of the universe, hence "subjectivism."
    I suppose from the view of theists, God is an eternal object that gives rise to all others.

    You asked "How many people even try to figure out what their assumptions are, much less challenge and question them?" I don't have any statistics on this, of course, but my experience is that it wouldn't be very many. But I would suggest not worrying about what everyone else does or does not do.
    One of the great appeals to my mind of theism is that it makes (at first glance) the promise of rationality more tenable. As atheists, we have no reason to suppose that mankind will ever shed itself of irrationality as it evolves further, and what we DO see is that educated, modern cultures breed less and suffer from a population decline relative to the poorer, more superstitious and irrational, less educated cultures. Unfortunately, history has shown us that civilization does not guarantee permanence and that knowledge can be lost.

    many will uncritically accept that corruption in place of the life-affirming philosophy that they need
    But are all men capable of the oft-subtle distinctions?

    that an individual should not leave his thinking to some self-appointed elites who claim to "know better," either because they have pull with the university administration, or because they receive their "insights" from a supernatural source. She's essentially saying "Watch out!" to thinkers and would-be thinkers everywhere.
    As an incessant skeptic, I can only point out here that declaring to others, "think for yourselves" is self-refuting. Why should they listen to her? ;) Okay, okay, I'll quit being so damn cynical now.

    I've probed the premises of many positions (I don't claim to have done so for all; has anyone?), but it has not lead me to epistemic skepticism by any means. In fact, I've become increasingly more epistemically confident as a result.
    What do studies like this make you think? Can you honestly say that you've attempted to balance out your quest with readings and inquiries into areas of thought with which your premises do not agree, in order to constantly provide some internal critique for your worldview? Do you think you've fallen prey to confirmation bias? Here is how the SciAm article ends:
    Skepticism is the antidote for the confirmation bias.

    I suppose as a scientist who has worked with models of chemical behavior, and knows a little about quantum behavior, I am perhaps a little pessimistic about man's ability to know the universe with any degree of certainty, and even more pessimistic about our ability to know ourselves.

    That's why theists don't like me. So, perhaps the skepticism you cite results, not from the task of seriously probing the premises of a variety of positions, but from the fundamental view of life that you hold.
    Now that is a great damn point, isn't it? And, as we well know, you can't be skeptical of skepticism...or else you won't be a skeptic!

    It is possible for one to hold a view which sabotages one's epistemic efforts. Asking questions like those that I posed above might help in teasing these assumptions out so that you can become explicitly aware of them for what they are.
    I have asked such questions. I suppose I am still young and perhaps that is why I am cynical/pessimistic, or perhaps I am starting down a slippery slope towards losing confidence in man's mind (not to say that it is "sinful" or that we have to "just trust", but more towards a postmodern view).

    I agree that we can take skepticism too far -- reason can cannibalize herself, and we can give up on rationality (or rationalism, whichever you prefer).

    I guess I would just say, Dawson, that anyone who claims to be explicitly aware of their own biases and weaknesses in thinking I view with a wary eye. Call me a cynic if you must.

    But I do agree that some people "only develop (or adopt from others) enough philosophy to convince themselves that they are rational and 'committed to the truth'."
    I'm glad we agree.

    Tara Smith gave an excellent talk on this topic in her series "Rationality and Objectivity," in which she lists a number of thought habits that thinkers develop in order to rationalize irrational premises, such as 'base-touching', 'settling', etc. I've caught myself doing these, thanks to her pointing them out in her talk.
    I'd like to see these for myself. Sounds interesting. Perhaps it would help me not to be so damn cynical ;)

    These habits are turned on full blast in religious apologetics. The purpose of apologetics is not to vindicate a position, but to insulate it so that the pretense that it is true can be maintained.
    I think this is completely accurate for presuppositional apologetics, which is almost defined in this very way -- insulation.

    One needs to abandon honesty to do this. Observe how apologists tend to react before they consider.
    I've seen atheists do it as well.

    I'm sure you've seen some know-it-alls on the web who can react all day long without deeply considering what it is they're reacting to or what motivates the reaction they offer.
    Esp Francois Tremblay and Paul Manata, peas from the same pod that got separated at birth ;)

    You said that "I would say that the tides have turned, in large part thanks to a commitment to Rationalism." You provided a link to a Wikipedia article which clarifies what you might mean by 'rationalism'.
    Right.

    ...yet earlier you had stated that "I find no storng evidence that humans behave as rational animals even a fraction of the time." So, on the one hand, the tide is turning in favor of a rational orientation, but on the other hand you don't see any strong evidence to suppose that people behave rationally.
    You have to realize I'm saying that philosophers (in my humble opinion) have turned the tide of postmodernism, in many respects, because of their commitment to rationality/ism (they'd be out of a job otherwise, eh? wink-wink). I'm simultaneously arguing that most people aren't philosophers, and thus are not strongly inclined to follow evidence wherever it leads, or check their premises with any honesty against reality.

    I'm wondering if I'm right to detect cynicism where earlier you seemed to think "epistemic skepticism" is unavoidable. I'd say that cynicism is probably inevitable if one thinks that epistemic skepticism is unavoidable.
    I don't necessarily think it is unavoidable. Much of what I root my skepticism in is summed in what I said makes our generation different -- the sea of knowledge and information we have to swim in. It appears that we have amassed so much philosophy and knowledge that for any one person to feel at peace with a worldview, and feel they have examined the merits of the many perspectives on such difficult topics as consciousness, epistemology, good/evil/morality, etc., that person has "settled". It is in this sense that I hold a lot of epistemic skepticism, which borders on the cynical. I think there is too much to consider to attach labels to yourself (that are inflexible) such as "alethic realist" (our friend Steve's profile, he's such a goober).

    Rand was simply observing the glee with which many of her contemporaries were flocking to drug use and celebrating it as an "alternative lifestyle." Rand witnessed the birth of an explicitly self-destructive counter-culture which we today take for granted, because it's always been here for us.
    But this is by no means the first counter-culture, or the most lasting, necessarily.

    In Rand's day, most people did not schlep around like you see people customarily doing today.
    I don't necessarily disagree with you about much of what follows regarding disrespect among kids, but do keep Deut 22-24 in mind (somewhere in there) where it prescribes stoning incorrigible children. Each culture is different, but the sort of individualism that you and I (hopefully) cherish does not give rise to the homogeneous (and possibly fear-based) response you saw in Thailand.

    The contrasts between American culture and Thai culture are most striking.
    West vs. East, right? They are a much less violent people, on the whole, as well (excepting the stupid Muslims who recently took up terror camps in their countries).

    Thais would be utterly shocked if they saw Britney Spears and Madonna locking lips on TV. It's not the homosexuality per se which shocks them, it's the public display of something they think should be privately enjoyed that they find shocking. So, I don't think Rand was being "comically naïve" at all when she stated these things.
    You seem to be making a value judgment that I am having a hard time following -- are you saying that YOU view our liberation and individuality and diversity, in America (and much of the West) should be celebrated, or that it is to blame for the counter-culture, which is itself to blame for irrationalism? Or are you saying that Rand saw it this way? Do you agree with her?

    Rand saw the gleeful retreat to drug-taking and "zoning out" inappropriate to human life.
    I obviously have values that clash with the idea of staying stoned and doing nothing productive, but part of my outlook is that others are FREE to enjoy drugs to the extent that it doesn't harm others (and themselves). I consider many things amoral, and certain drug usage, within certain contexts, certainly fall in that category. Even being irrational, at times, in certain contexts, I would call amoral as well (using criteria of harm to others/self, etc). Perhaps my outlook is too lax.

    While I don't think debating with theists is productive (I'd just assume have a debate with a dog than with some of the more consistent theists), I do think it is important to expose the falsehoods and irrationality of their position.
    It is productive for me. It helps me to critically view my own premises.

    I cannot just sit on what I know, especially given what's at stake for man's well-being and human society in general.
    Perhaps I don't share your idealism. I don't yet think my own positions warrant enough courage to debate them for an altruistic cause (assuming altruism exists) -- more to shore up my own weak understanding of theology and to attempt to confront some of the supposedly strongest arguments that Christians possess.

    Anyway, these are just my $0.02, for what it may be worth.
    Worth more than face value to me ;)

    Thanks for the dialogue.

    Best,
    D

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